Wednesday, January 24, 2007

Largely united my ass

W, last night, on Iraq: "We went into this largely united in our assumptions and in our convictions. And whatever you voted for, you did not vote for failure. Our country is pursuing a new strategy in Iraq, and I ask you to give it a chance to work. And I ask you to support our troops in the field and those on their way. "

Once again, BushCo tests the premise that if you repeat a lie often enough, people forget it's not true.


Megan said...

I was struck by that comment as well, although if he thinks he's just addressing Congress they DID go into it largely united in their assumptions. What ran through my mind when I heard him say that was that even if we give him that we ALL went into this united in our assumptions, it's because that bastard LIED to us. Does he not know that? Or does he just not give a fuck?

vikkitikkitavi said...

Let the rewriting of history begin!

kiki said...

surely the general consensus was for the war in the beginning?

most senators supported it- wasn't that obama guy the only one who oppoesed it in the beginning?- and it even had decent support in this country.

however, i don't think anything has gone out of fashion quite so quick

Skylers Dad said...

He's just mixing up his countries. We went into Afganistan looking for Bin Laden pretty united.

Iraq is a whole different story...

dad said...

I think its time to again read the Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Force Against Iraq. Just read each "Whereas" and mark each one you believed in then and believe in now.

This can be an important exercise in how lies and distortions are used to influence the public and to place the congress in a position to possibly be seen to be weak and afraid. I would like to see every congressperson who voted for this resolution apologize for giving the president war time powers and abnegating their oversight.

dad said...

BTW-In the US Senate there were 21 Democrates, 1 Republican, and 1 Independent that voted against the Resolution. Obama was not in the senate at the time of the vote.

vikkitikkitavi said...

Kiki: No, there was NOT a consensus for the war, not even in the congress. The consensus in the congress was pretty much a shotgun marriage for the Democrats. I wish with all my heart that more of them had the courage to say no, but considering the charges of treason that were being thrown around at the time, including FROM OUR OWN PRESIDENT, it does a disservice even to those cowards to say that the consented freely.

To say nothing of the UN, the protests of conflicting intelligence from European countries, and the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Americans who took to the streets and marched against this war in cities all across the nation. Protests that, when they were acknowledged by the press at all, were given smirking "look at the kooks" coverage.

And Obama wasn't elected until 2004, so when he and his people claim that he was against the war from the beginning, you have to take it with a grain of salt. He's compromised plenty on some pretty shitty bills, so he is no paragon of virtuous voting. My feeling about him is while he may be a fine person of good character, he is also a good politician, and I bet he would've voted for the resolution in the end.

SkyDad: Oh, if only it WERE ignorance.

Dad: Great point. Here's the Senators who voted against giving W the authorization to invade Iraq:
* Daniel Akaka (D-HI)
* Jeff Bingaman (D-NM)
* Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
* Robert Byrd (D-WV)
* Lincoln Chafee (R-RI)
* Jon Corzine (D-NJ)
* Kent Conrad (D-ND)
* Mark Dayton (D-MN)
* Dick Durbin (D-IL)
* Russ Feingold (D-WI)
* Bob Graham (D-FL)
* Daniel Inouye (D-HI)
* Jim Jeffords (I-VT)
* Ted Kennedy (D-MA)
* Patrick Leahy (D-VT)
* Carl Levin (D-MI)
* Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)
* Patty Murray (D-WA)
* Jack Reed (D-RI)
* Paul Sarbanes (D-MD)
* Debbie Stabenow (D-MI)
* Paul Wellstone (D-MN)
* Ron Wyden (D-OR)
They're mostly still there in the Senate. Those that are gone mostly retired. So it turns out that voting against the resolution did not have the dire consequences that those chicken shits thought it would.